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fixing the SD wiring
January 25, 2016
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Not a complaint, rather a "if I can do this so can you".

I purchased two SD-9 models, with sound, in 2014 to use as yard switchers.  Andy used one of these at the 2104 Weekend, switching at Harrowsmith Yard.  He found it "balky" at times.  I later (April 2015) purchased an SD45, with sound, by the same model manufacturer and it exhibited the same issue as soon as it was placed on the track for testing/run-in.

I exchanged several emails with the manufacturer to no avail (June 2015).   So after some suitable comtemplation I went ahead and repaired the three units all at the same time (December 2015).   Some suggestions.   But first a photo of the issue. 

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This type of model has the wires from the trucks going to two separate connectors, the rear truck to the connector closest to the camera, the front truck to a connector on the other side.  These power wires are red and black.   On the "rear" connector, note that the red wire has burned enough to expose bare wire.  On the "front" connector there is just a bit of the back insulation remaining and the wire has burned enough to remove all the insulation and part the black wire.... those are the strands visible there.  On all four power wires the insulation was burned down to the truck.  On both SD9 the wires were burned to the pickup tabs inside the truck.  Above, you can see that the connectors are discolored, as is a portion of the decoder.

Looks serious but all it took was replacing the 4 wires on each of the three units.  I chose to replace the entire wire from the truck pickup tab to the decoder connector.

To get at the truck-pickup tab, the trucks need to be disassembled and removed from the unit.  The worm-gear cover is a bit tight and needs patience.  The hardest part, for me, was noting that there are two itty-bitty (black) screws that hold the two-halves of the (black) truck body together.  These screws are neatly hidden by the wheels, so you need to remove the wheelsets.   Soldering a wire to the pickup tab inside the truck is then easy (even for me, Howard). 

I was not able to find connectors that fit. So in one case I was able to insert a lead into the connector that held, soldering the wire to the lead.  In the other cases I soldered a lead to the back of the connector.... you can see the tiny connector leads in the photo above.  I admit that it took a certain amount of hand-calming/steadying fluid before I was able to do this.

In all three cases the decoders survived...a testament to SoundTraxx.   Even in the two cases where the burned insulation had melted and "glued" the wire right down onto the decoder.

Since the re-wiring, the SD45 has travelled the length of the railroad and is in service as a helper, from "Bartlett" up to "Crawford Notch".   One SD9, 6208, has been tested, the other 6222 also works and is waiting for testing but over the past month-and-some has been turned on and off with the railroad a ~dozen times.

 

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The question was "why" this happened.  I checked the other 82 units on the railroad and no sign of melted wiring.   The voltage was checked, again, with the oscilloscope and it and the on-track dcc signal are well within specs.

My thought is, given that the SD45 was 'balky' immediately on putting it on the track, and the tiny gage of the power wiring on all three units, is that either something happened during testing at the factory and/or the wire gage was just too light.   But that is just speculation.

The main point is that this issue is"fixable" and if I can do it, so can you.

                     Jim

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January 25, 2016
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Very interesting, Jim,Looking at it, those appear to be pinch points when the body is installed but I don't know why they would cause over heating and melting.  Thanks for posting!!. Best, Andy Hosting the 13th Annual ProTrak Weekend, April 27th to May 1st, 2016 

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Best, Andy Keeney

Look out for #1 but don't step in #2!!

January 26, 2016
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The photo is of the SD45.  When I took it apart I was interested to note that segments of the wiring had been replaced... you can see the black heat-shrink in the photo on the orange and light-blue wires.  Same on the truck-power wires.   The SD9 had no replaced segments.

In our exchanges, and in response to my question, the repair tech wrote me that they had "some" units returned for repair with this issue.   

 

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Andy,

On the unit you were using at Harrowsmith I previously had repaired short segments of the power wires.  The one SD9 unit was balky from the get-go and I replaced the burned sections.   At that time I did not have the courage/incentive to take the unit apart to replace the whole length of the wire right down to inside the trucks.

If anyone else runs into this "burned wires" issue, I recommend replacing the entire length of all the truck-power wires.

                Jim

January 26, 2016
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Jim,I've been wondering what was causing those wires to overheat like that.  Could it have been just the pinch points or poor quality wires?  Or might it be something a little more worrisome that should be followed up on?  You may want to check the engines for heat after they have been running for awhile but maybe they are completely okay now.  Not sure if you stated the manufacturer of these.  Was it Athearn?  Also, for everyone, Bob Butler put me onto replacement drive shaft kits from Northwest Shortline that can greatly improve the smoothness of Athearn and Life Like locos, especially the earlier ones.  The kits are cheap and really worthwhile if your engine chucks at all, especially at very slow crawl speed.  It will also give it a much smoother operation with DCC.  Thanks, Bob!!    Crew is over tomorrow afternoon to run some track cleaning trains and then the big session is on Saturday!!  Wish more of you lived nearby. :-)  Best, AndyHosting the 13th Annual ProTrak Weekend, April 27th to May 1st, 2016 

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February 2, 2016
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Andy asked:

"Not sure if you stated the manufacturer of these. Was it Athearn?"

You are right, I should be explicit.  There is a label on the microprocessor in the photo above.  No, the burned-up SD9/45 are Walthers.

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There are 85 units active on the C&NE.

As you know, I have had good success with Bowser C630, C636 and C430 (14 units).  Those are heavy-duty (model) units which are able to take the loadings of the grades and the length of the sessions. 

Most of the other units are Atlas (~60 units), with which I have have zero issues.   There are some Intermountains which also are very smooth running.

I have one Bachman GP7, which I bought last summer for B&M trains out of StJ.  Relatively light service.  It has an Economai decoder, which seems solid, to the point that I bought one which got put in a re-motored (Sagami) Athearn GP38.

There are only three other Athearn's actually on the railroad - a SD70 which sees no service, a Genesis GP38 (B&M) and a new GP7 (MeC).  You may remember that I was using the GP38 as the BDN yard switcher for the first operating day of the October Weekend, but I had to swap it out as it was getting "wonky".  Turned out to be overheating of the decoder, which was turning itself off.  I replaced it with one of the Bowser C430, which ran fine in that service for Friday and Saturday.  

                 Jim

February 2, 2016
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That is quite a fleet, Jim!!  These locos can be a challenge at times.

As I work with my power, there are some that are at the top of my list as great performers, some in the middle and some I would like to get rid of unless I have a breakthrough with getting them to be a lot more reliable.

My best are any of the Kato powered Stewarts and Atlas with Stewart F's being at the top of the list.  At the bottom are the Life Like P2K's which seem to have multiple problems.  Some of those problems I have been able to correct but others, I'm still working on.

Now, I would like to start installing good sound decoders but my time and finances are taking care of other things like the phone system and CTC, which is still a little down the road for me.

Regarding the sound, I've been blown away with LOK Sounds decoders for the Alcos and think that I will be going with those for my fleet of S series switchers, RS-2's, RSC-2's, RS-3's, RSD-5's, RS-11's and for the passenger power, DL-109s and PA's.  If I get those active on the roster, I just about have all the power that I will need for the Nashville Road!! 

Anyone else working on their loco roster? 

Best, Andy       

Best, Andy Keeney

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February 3, 2016
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On a positive note, a comment about the Athearn GP-38.  It was a commemorative MEC unit that I picked up at the station in North Conway, NH.  Standard "old-fashioned" mechanism, but one difference.  The bronze axle bearings were overly long, filling the entire "space" between the gear shaft and the wheel.  There was no way for the bearing to "drop" out of those stamped metal truck bearing holders.

So, what the heck, let's see (and I could always use the body on another more modern mechanism).

The unit has "2011" painted on the bottom of the fuel tank.

I have looked, but have not found these elongated bearings anywhere else.   Has anyone else?

 

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As above, I replaced the motor with a Sagami. And used one of those new? "sugar-cube" speakers.  I have 5 of those speakers in service; and will use more of them.  Sound is good and with sufficient volume.

               Jim

February 3, 2016
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Was it a new or used unit, Jim.  I wonder of someone changed them out. Best, Andy 

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February 4, 2016
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Andy,

The GP-38 model was brand-new in its original box.  As above, when I got it home and opened the box, it had "2011" on the bottom of the fuel-tank. ... which I assumed was the "build date".   And seeing the larger/longer bearings I figured that these were modern improvement on the old standard Athearn mechanism.

However, at the "local" hobby shop (Credit Valley), the current Athearn still have the old shorter bearings.   Thus my question.

                   Jim

February 4, 2016
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I bet you just got a very special "Custom built for the C&NE" locomotive!!   With extra heavy bearings for hard working mountain railroading!! 😉   Best, Andy 

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