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9:10 am
April 26, 2015
I'm working on my second iteration of multi-day operations and am using "Daily" mode as my new multi-day mode of operating. I reviewed the ProTrak folders of other people and noticed that their non-Monday mode of scheduling as to go to Daily mode. To get started I just used a broad range of the way bills that came up when I "ordered cars". In doing so I have a rather large imbalance between way-bills from shippers on one of my staging tracks , versus being consignees of way-bills from on-layout customers. Does anybody know if it is important to try to get a balance (or near so) between shipper and consignee way-bills for a given staging track? What I am seeing is trains from my main on-layout yard maxed out at car count yet a large number of "extras" that did not fit on the train.
thanks
Joe Brann
11:40 am
April 28, 2015
Joe,
I think this is what the OV BOLs are for; my understanding is the program looks to fill car-orders for on-line customers first, and then assigns OV BOLs to any remaining cars; this presumes there is an appropriate OV BOL for any given car type.
Jim Brewer
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6:48 pm
April 26, 2015
"Upon further review" I noticed that the trains I mentioned in my post above Jim.s reply namely the trains from my on-line yard to staging and return were full of X quality empty cars. The list of X quality cars grew from 18 in session 1 to 31 in session 9. I reviewed "X quality" in the Q&A Appendix of the PTBM and an X car is just a dirty A quality car but should be loaded anyway. Apparently that is not happening. I'm still running Ver. 348. Questions 1) has anybody else seen X quality cars not getting loaded , 2) is there a way for me to change the X quality cars over to A quality cars, 3) could this be an issue w/Ver 348?
thanks
Joe Brann
9:38 pm
April 26, 2015
Hi Joe
Do you have a cleaning track. I ran into this problem with this version (348) and had to create a cleaning track. Almost all of my box cars became X or K cars. I could not get the X or K cars to load until they became A cars after cleaning. It took quite a few sessions to get the cars cleaned and I had to keep the cleaning track in place as the cars rapidly became X's or K's again. Now I have about 3% of the boxes and gons being cleaned in a session. I can live with that. There must be something built into V348 that requires this cleaning operation. I did not have this happening with V343.
Merry Christmas Fred K
12:23 am
April 26, 2015
Joe,
Unless you are using an actual cleaning track, make sure you have selected "no" for Cleaning track used.
This is under Administration=>Spot Format and Special SPOTs.
If I remember correctly this does not prevent cars from being classed as needing cleaning but lets Protrak use them anyway.
Hope this helps,
John Valle
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8:39 am
May 11, 2015
Joe and John, I remember talking to Jim about this when I was having that problem. I couldn't remember exactly what Jim said but John is right on. I do remember that regardless of the quality, they should still be loading all car orders if there is no clear ing track. Best, AndyÂ
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12:30 pm
April 26, 2015
Fred and John,
I do have a clean-out track but it is up in one of my industrial areas and serves dirty cars for two SPOTS up there. Most of my X quality cars were on the thru trains to and from my main on-layout yard and staging. I was moving to retry my paper sessions with Ver 343 last week but was busy volunteering at a golf tournament Thur to Sunday. But with Fred comment that he did NOT have the trouble with Ver. 343 I'm anxious to start testing w/ver 343 tonight.
BTW we can force cars to be "cleaned" i.e. change the X quality to A quality. Here are the steps Operations / Exceptions / Query car status / enter your car number and click on Yes / Change / and in the middle of the drop down menu you will see "Clean-report car cleaned". Click on this option and the car's quality will be changed to "A".
Joe
4:07 pm
April 26, 2015
WOW, I entered my reply this morning but I don't see it on the forum now (late afternoon). Hope I can recall all the information I wrote about this morning.
I tried using Ver 343 per Fred's success in getting rid of X-quality cars; but I was not anywhere near as successful. When I started I had 15-18 X or Y-quality cars. I then ran M, T, W, Th, and Fri paper sessions and at the end of Friday's session the number of X -quality cars was in the 30-s. Does anybody recall what is the trigger for a car going from A-quality to X-quality? Does it depend on the contents of the car when it was last unloaded? The "contents" of almost all of my X-quality cars is Mty, Empty for load, or Empty clean.
I also have a growing number of "extra" cars on one of my through trains going from my on-line yard down to staging.
What I'm concerned about is that in going from Monday-only operations, which I've been doing probably since 2007, to multi-day operations did I forget to click on some radio button or something. I'm presently running "Daily" since my first excursion into Multi-day operations namely running some trains M/W/F and other trains T/T/S uncovered problems with ProTrak. When I go into Operations I do see each day of the week sequence thru properly in the Opening window in Operations, so I'm comfortable that I'm operating 7 days a week. My train lineup is the same every day since that is what I saw others do when I reviewed their ProTrak folders. When I ordered cars for Tuesday thru Sunday I reused a lot of my Monday WB-s; but I did use many that I created but not used when I was doing Monday-only operations. Don't know if this is a factor in my X-quality car problem or not.
I worked thru the Q&A appendix of the PTBM and I think I found that if there is no Cleaning Track in use than X-quality cars are loaded the same a A-quality cars. As an experiment lasts night I told ProTrak that I did not have any "Cleaning track" in hopes of seeing my vast supply of X-quality cars get loaded. I used the Load/Empties ratios from the opening screen in Operations as my gauge as to whether X-quality cars were getting loaded or not. I ran about 5 or 6 paper sessions. My L/E ratios varied from 47/53 to 27/72 so I kinda deduced that the X-quality cars were not getting loaded.r
I'm about at wits end to know what to do, so I am in need of guidance/help. I kinda think that the continuously growing number of X-quality cars started when I moved off of Monday-only operations.
thanks
Joe
12:29 pm
April 26, 2015
Good morning Joe
Frustration. I had to create a mile long cleanout track in order to get everything out of X & K quality in order to start over. I still have a cleanout track so in my operations I still have 2 or 3 cars being cleaned every op session. In V348 there is an option to have cars cleaned by the customer on the way bill for that customer. I haven't tried going through all of my way bills and using this option to see what happens. Good luck
Fred K
1:15 pm
April 28, 2015
Joe,
Not sure what to tell you; I do not have a clean out track but I do have a RIP track; as cars degrade they are sent to the RIP track and come out as A cars; the only exception is if I have a load restricted car, such as for hides. This primarily affects boxcars.
Jim Brewer
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5:50 pm
April 26, 2015
Fred and Jim,
Thanks for your inputs
Jim- I've had a cleanout track working perfectly for years with my Monday-only operations since probably 2012 or 2013. It's just seems that since my foray into "daily" paper operations that I get this ever growing number of X-quality cars which do NOT come from the two SPOTs which feed my clean out tracks.
Fred - Thanks for the input concerning cleaning cars at a customer SPOT via option on the WB screen with Ver. 348. I'm gonna clean all my cars again per the manual process I listed in my 12/17/18 12:30 posting above. NOTE this option is not in Ver. 343. Then I'm going to go thru all my WB-s and select the Clean at customer site on all the WB-s except for the WB-s associated with the two SPOTs which feed my clean out track. If that doesn't get rid of my growing number of X-quality cars then I'm gong back to Monday -only operations.
I'm just wondering if with all the machinations that my ProTrak data folders have been thru since June or July when I (and others) started testing various versions of ProTrak whether I might have picked up some "feature" that is screwing up ProTrak in some manner.
Merry Christmas to all
Joe
7:11 pm
May 11, 2015
Hi All and Merry Christmas! It's been awhile since I've worked with the program but Jim B rang a bell in my distant past regarding the RIP rather than Cleanout track. Is the procedure that is done at the cleanout track actually increase the quality ok the car? I'm wondering if that actually has to be done at a RIP track, not a cleanout. Bob B, do you remember when we had all those boxcars being sent to Cedar Hill for cleaning? I'm thinking that was a RIP track, not a cleanout track but I really don't remember for sure. I also remember Jim M telling me that if there is no RIP or cleanout track in operation, then the degraded quality of the cars did not stop them from being used for all quality loads. Does any of that ring a bell, Bob? Best, AndyÂ
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7:29 pm
April 26, 2015
Cedar Hill was the last RIP and cleanout track created and the program sent all cars there. We deleted all RIP and Cleanout track except GSM Yard. We were manually clean cars, at one time we had over 400 cars to clean.
If there are no Cleanout tracks the cars are cleaned at home road staging tracks.
Best Bob
7:15 pm
April 26, 2015
Fred,
In your Dec 24-th posting you mentioned the option in Ver 348 to mark a WB so that the associated car is cleaned at the customer site. The background color on that option is a very light blue, not the normal royal blue as on other options. I just got rid of all X and Y quality cars and was proceeding to mark my "Ordered" WB with the clean at customer site option. BUT it seems as though nothing happens. When I bring up the WB a 2-nd time the check mark for the option is erased. Is anybody else famliar with using this option? Or does anybody know what Jim used the very light blue background color to represent?
thanks
Joe
12:27 pm
April 26, 2015
Fred,
In Jim's release note for Ver. 347 and 348 he mentions the WB option as well as the option under Operations/Exceptions to manually clean a car. I've looked around but have not found any option enabling radio button or check mark box that might be the activation mechanism for the option at the bottom of the WB screen. IF anybody has used the WB option to clean a car at a customers SPOT please let us know what you did. I tried the option last night with Ver 352 but got the same result as with Ver. 348 namely that the check mark in the option box does not stay checked.
Joe
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