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7:38 am
December 23, 2014
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I had been getting reports that sometimes the number of cars on the Cutlist did not match the number of cars on the inbound train. Working with Joe's data I was able to track this down. Finally!
The issue related to train's being over-length. A car (or cars) causing the train to be overlength were made extra on arriving at a Yd yard, and extra cars are not shown on a Cutlist (only cars in the train). This issue only happened at a Yd yard that was a "last reporting point".
Update 355 includes an additional check - that prevents over-length cars being made extra at a last Yd yard.
Jim
8:10 am
April 26, 2015
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Jim
Thanks for the update. BUT it seems to me to be more to work on. Yesterday afternoon I sent up to you a scanned copy of the Switchlist for Train 46 from my OP session 3. That train had 9 cars and the train length on the switchlist was listed at 396 feet which just happens to be 9*44. As you saw when you reviewed my ProTrak data folder for my OP session 4 Train 45 (the connecting train w/Train 46) had a length of 440 feet which as you reported was 40-ft over length for that train. So how did the length of a connecting set of trains go from 396 to over 400 ft? Seems like the train length calculations for connecting trains are not in synch.
Joe
8:47 am
May 11, 2015
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Thank you much for this fix, Jim. Â Best, AndyÂ
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8:50 am
December 23, 2014
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Joe noted:
>the train length on the switchlist was listed at 396 feet
The train-consist I printed here, from your data, showed 440 ft. That is what I was writing about.
Jim
9:08 am
December 23, 2014
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Also, in doing the many test runs with Joe's data I noted that sometimes the Cutlist car count was less than the number of cars on the train - correctly. This happened because there were customers between the reporting points. A train would leave with 7 cars, drop off one car at a customer leaving 6 cars on the train and appearing on the Cutlist. Correctly.
Jim
10:55 am
April 26, 2015
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Jim,
I'm apparently missing something - What I haven't seen is an explanation for is how a train (i.e. #46) can leave RVS-Yd with 9 cars and a length of 396-ft, go directly to staging w/o stopping and then return directly to RVS-Yd in the next session as connecting Train #45 with 8 listed cars and a length of 440-ft. How can the same train loose a car and gain 44 feet.
Joe
5:03 pm
April 26, 2015
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Friends,
I've been working today off-forum w/Jim wrt an issue which several of us have reported lately namely a train coming out of staging with X cars listed on the switchlist but X-y cars showing on the Cutlist. As Jim has commented this occurs when the train is over length. But the perplexing (at least to me) was how did an overlength connecting train get out of my RVS-Yd to staging w/o being overlength as it left RVS-Yd. How this occurred was that a very looong time ago I had assigned apparently in a verrry arbitrary way an engine and caboose to SOME trains. The case we were working on was that my train 46 had no caboose nor engine assigned to it when it went from RVS-Yd to staging. So it's "train length" was 9*44. But train 46-s connecting train #45 did have an engine and caboose assigned to it so its length was 9*44 + engine length + caboose length, and these two additional lengths put the train overlength coming out of staging.
So to all of you out there who might be using connecting trains double check your data and make sure that the same engine and caboose are assigned to both of the connecting trains. Or drop ALL caboose and engine assignments as I am may do for the short term until I get a better handle on what power to assign to each train.
thanks again Jim
Joe
9:47 pm
May 11, 2015
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Very good, Joe, thanks for the info. Another good reason to make sure all the blanks are filled in correctly!! 🙂 Best, AndyÂ
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7:59 am
December 23, 2014
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Just to be clear....
>Update 355 includes an additional check - that prevents over-length cars being made extra at a last Yd yard.
Which means that the car-count on the Cutlist will be correct ..... even if there is an "over-length".
~~~
So go ahead and assign power, and a caboose, to trains.
Jim
8:04 am
December 23, 2014
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2/2 responses. Please see above.
>make sure that the same engine and caboose are assigned to both of the connecting trains
Not at all necessary.
The "Daily Summary" swaps, not only the cars between "connecting trains", but also the assigned power and caboose.
You can have different power-consists on two connecting trains.
Jim
8:21 am
April 26, 2015
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>>>>make sure that the same engine and caboose are assigned to both of the connecting trains
Not at all necessary.
The "Daily Summary" swaps, not only the cars between "connecting trains", but also the assigned power and caboose.
You can have different power-consists on two connecting trains. <<<
Jim,
Thanks for the correction to my "instruction". But from a practical standpoint although ProTrak can assign new power to a connecting train coming out of staging wouldn't most layout owners just use the same power to bring the connecting train up from staging as was used in the prior session to take the train into staging? My staging yard is fairly accessible, but I'm thinking of Andy's big yard at floor level on the opposite side of the wall from his Gresham Yard.
Joe
10:17 am
December 23, 2014
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>wouldn't most layout owners just use the same power to bring the connecting train up from staging as was used in the prior session to take the train into staging?
What if the "connecting" trains work staging to staging?
What if the "connecting" train not in staging (in a yard) runs first?
Would you then need two sets of power?
Eh?
Jim
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