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suggested Updates from Weekend - present status
November 8, 2016
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Of the 38 specific items you asked me to look at the following have been checked off (added):

3) hints for waybill quality

4) more yard tracks for Yd yards

5) widen/lengthen Yard Operations window

6) re-direct list for passenger cars - added.

14) cleanout by railroad - dealt with by discussion at Weekend

17)  car Query "clearance".  Corrected, for "radius - =0 ".   Original data method allowed for a "zero" spur radius which the program interpreted as infinite radius.  My very old data, and some of yours too, may still have radius = 0.

21)  fast-clock colors

23) is BE a defined passenger car kind?  Yes, you had me add it in August 2010 (from program documentation)

24) setting off cars at "01" from switcher.  This works.

26) "01" as a waybill destination.  Already exists.

33) "Daily Mode" - what is meant by "starting"?   As discussed it is "consist has been printed"  or train has been reported by at first (or later) reporting point.

The clock warning at 11:51 pm was added.

35) Printed time added to "printed date:  All have been added.

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Not added, function exists elsewhere

8) one button "trim" for all trains

18) reset waybill

22) user issue of double-reporting at turns

 

I am working on 2), 7), 10), 11), 12), 13), 15), 16), 19), 20), 25), 29), 30), 31), 32), 36).

             Jim

November 8, 2016
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Thanks again, Jim, some very helpful changes.   One question regarding the "Trim all trains," if I ever knew, I have forgotten.  Where is the location in the program to trim all trains at one time? Best , Andy 

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November 8, 2016
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For those train operators who are contemplating the use of ProTrak and for those who already have this wonderful program but have not yet made it to a ProTrak weekend Jim's list above is one of the pivotal points why we attend ProTrak weekends.  The clinics / discussions that created the list are absolutely fabulous and worth every bit of travel time and expense involved in getting to a weekend.  Your ProTrak operations will be better for making the effort !!

The next ProTrak weekend is May 3-7, 2017 at Jim Brewer's fine layout in northern Maryland, near Baltimore and Washington DC.  See you THERE !!

Joe

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November 8, 2016
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>One question regarding the "Trim all trains," if I ever knew, I have forgotten.  Where is the location in the program to trim all trains at one time? 

Cars in a Yd yard, with the train in the same Yd yard, >may< be assigned to the "train".  Trimming is a yard function which removes cars re-routed (by the car-waybill car distributor) from a train originating at a Yd yard.   The "Yard Switchlist" lists these cars. 

There is no "all trains" trim button.   After playing with the idea for a bit I found it far too dangerous.   Methinks it is too easy to lose sight of car movements.

You will need to trim one train at a time.

                   Jim

November 8, 2016
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So true, Joe.  Apart from the commeraderie, I feel this is the most important part of the weekend.  The discussion periods have been excellent for both us and Jim, I believe.  I know that we get some great changes after the weekends!! Best, Andy

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November 8, 2016
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Okay, thanks, Jim.  That does disappoint me. I do have some followup questions regarding this. First, is it just the list that is incorrect or are the cars actually on the classification tracks for those initial trains before the trimming is done which means the cars have to be moved to their correct class track after trimming? Depending on your answer I may have followup questions. Thanks, Andy

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November 8, 2016
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>is it just the list that is incorrect or are the cars actually on the classification tracks for those initial trains before the trimming is done which means the cars have to be moved to their correct class track after trimming?

The cars have been previously classified to their correct (listed) classification track. And they (hopefully) are on the correct track (for that classification.

The issue is that -subsequent to the classification- the Car-distributor ran, and re-routed the cars.

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This is why, as Howard pointed out a few years ago, we need the "Yard Switchlist".  To show which cars have been re-routed by the car distributor.

              Jim

November 8, 2016
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Okay, Jim, please forgive me if I am missing something here but why is it dangerous to be able to trim all trains with one command as opposed to trimming each train individually?  If the cars have already been re-routed via, the car redistribution list, and are in their correct position in the yard, I see more of a problem if the Program Operator forgets to open and trim a train before he prints the work order or Switchlist.  The yardcrews are then searching for cars in others class tracks that shouldn't be on this train. With 70+ trains on the schedule, it is a pain to go down the list to find each train in a yard, and then open and trim it to correct its consist with the crews standing around waiting for him to complete it.  If we wait to do it as the train is called, some trains will be missed and the yards are going to get improper consist reports.  If I'm missing something, please let me know. Thanks, Andy  Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 6:49 PM, ProTrak.org wrote:

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November 12, 2016
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>trim all trains with one command 

The "Setout and Trim" command is intended to report that that one block-of-cars has been re-classified in the yard.  That is, to tell the computer that an action has been completed.   It is similar in its effect as the "Pending".

What did you see the Trim command as doing?

              Jim

November 12, 2016
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Hi Jim, when I was having this problem and discussed it with you years ago now, you instructed me to do the following, which I have done at the start of each session. The Problem: At the start of a session, I would find cars misrouted on the wrong trains only in the yards.   The Fix: You advised me to individually "Report" each train, "Open" it and "Trim" it.

This would remove the misrouted cars from each of these trains and correct their consists.   This is still happening each session.  I discussed this with Bob B. and since we were having problems with the "Redirecting cars" at the beginning of a new session, we were not using that.   You have since corrected the "Redirect" problem and I'm wondering if once the "Redirect" has been run, all the misrouted cars in the trains will have been corrected and not show up in those train's consists.  Do you know? Thanks, Andy

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November 15, 2016
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I admit that I am at loss on how to respond.  Please let me try:

>I would find cars misrouted on the wrong trains only in the yards

a)  The cars are not mis-routed. 

As explained many, many times the cars have been loaded/re-assigned by the Daily-Summary car-distributor.   As a result those cars are now (more than likely) going to a different destination.   That destination is served by another train.  That train is classified to on another track.

Howard pointed out this issue and now we have the "Yard Switchlist", which lists which cars should be picked up and where they should be placed.

We talked about this during the past Weekend.

 

b) >You advised me to individually "Report" each train, "Open" it and "Trim" it

What I actually said (years ago) was that you should, before printing the train-consist, carefully look at each individual train, looking for cars that are routed Same-Yd to Same-Yd (current location to next location).   Then, only if there are re-routed cars, only then "report" and "trim" the train.

The problem is that you "lose sight" of where a re-routed car went.  (There is now a disconnect between where the car is in the computer and where it is on the railroad).    We now have the window/list under Yardmaster which lists classified cars.   You can also use this list to re-classify cars.

 

c)  When you click "Set off and Trim" the program re-classifies every car in that train.  Most cars (those not re-routed) are re-assigned to the same train (simplifying the issue quite a bit).

It is manageable to handle the re-direct cars for a single train.

However, with a single button, every car in a yard would be re-classified.   In your case hundreds of them.   Can you imagine the mess it would be to sort that out?

 

d)  If the operator prints a train-consist list "as is", which re-routed cars (Same-Yd to Same-Yd) either operator will catch it or the yardmaster will catch it and the train-crew will certainly catch it (during their roll-by).

The Operator "trims" the train, reprints the train-consist _and_ prints the "Classified cars" list for the Yardmaster.

Is this really that big a deal?

 

               Jim

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